dodo
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Post by dodo on Sept 26, 2005 14:55:40 GMT -5
In some sites they are talking of a new bowie album in may 06...anyone knows more about it? Or maybe it's only false news, just to have something to talk about?? If it's true...wow, only 8 months to go...
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Post by ziggy2000 on Sept 26, 2005 19:05:11 GMT -5
This was rumoured a couple of months ago on an Australian site I believe. Let's just hope it's true.
Zigs
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Post by willem on Sept 27, 2005 2:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by knobby on Sept 27, 2005 3:20:49 GMT -5
bewley- brothers say its called Titty Stardust
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Post by pierrot on Sept 27, 2005 12:07:35 GMT -5
Titty Stardust is the owner of the site bewlay-brothers.
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Post by weesam on Sept 27, 2005 17:25:56 GMT -5
hope it's better than Reality.
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Post by knobby on Sept 27, 2005 19:47:48 GMT -5
Titty Stardust is the owner of the site bewlay-brothers. DOH silly me
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Post by dopazo on Sept 28, 2005 0:07:47 GMT -5
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dodo
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Post by dodo on Sept 28, 2005 3:37:54 GMT -5
hope it's better than Reality. Yeah, that's the problem...still, at least he gets to work again. Hoping that it's not only a money oriented decision..or mainstream oriented.
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Post by weesam on Sept 28, 2005 10:07:07 GMT -5
the problem with Bowie's mediocre (and downright rubbish) music is a lack of inspiration. What exciting, interesting things are going on around him at the moment? If he is to produce yet another album along the theme of 'getting older" and putting in some references to death (heart attack), then I think it will be another bore.
Whenever you read a Bowie biography, 9/10ths of the book focus on the years 69-80, and the 80s, 90s and 00s are a footnote. And it's for a reason. Bowie was much more interesting then. He was surrounded by interesting people, the mood and themes of his songs were interesting. Occasionaly, on each album since 1980, he has managed one or two songs which reach the brilliance of the 69-80 period, but I honestly believe the man doesn't have another "classic" album in him.
Heathen was/is generally regarded as his best work since 1980 (some fans would argue that it is Outside, but for me Outside is a brilliant album, ruined by being too long, too wordy, and too up it's own arse). But on a desert island, I wouldn't swap any of his 70s records for Heathen. I also wouldn't put any of his post 1980 records in my top 200 favourite albums; (and I am somebody who rates his 70s output so highly, that if I had to get rid of my record collection and keep only a handful of records, they'd be Bowie records.)
I won't be getting excited about his new album. I'll buy it, and go and see the tour (hopefully). Sorry for being negative.
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Post by homebrew on Sept 28, 2005 12:09:27 GMT -5
Sorry for being negative. Not at all. It was honest, well spoken and thought provoking. Don't apologize. HB
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Post by dodo on Sept 29, 2005 3:31:15 GMT -5
I must say that I agree almost totally with Weesam, except for Outside, for I think it's one of his masterpieces. The point I agree with mostly is the lack of inspiration due to Bowie's surroundings, especially the lack of "interesting people" that are around him. I argued on this in the italian fan site, for most fans said that bowie is not so stupid as to be influenced by those that are around him, but I still think that it's not a question of being stupid, but it's a question of being stimulated, if one leads a certain type of burgoise like life, it's unlikely that he'll be in the right mental state to conceive an interesting work...and I think Bowie is the type of man who is influenced by people, he'always been, by Eno, by Reed, by Iggy Pop, by Gabrels, etc. Fortunately in those cases they were interesting influences. Now...well, I see no good influences in his life, don't think Arcade Fire is to be considered such. I'm also negative about the immediate future, even if of course I will run to buy the album as soon as it's gonna be released (if it will ever be released!). I don't think the man is finished as an artist, or that he's too old, no, no...we have many examples of old artists who continue to move the audience with their performances, I'm sure he could do something wonderful still, for his head is ok, the problem is that he should remember he's bowie, not a hollywood puppet that jumps from one fashion party to the other, worrying more about his forever young look than about his music. Ok, that was hard enough for today. I still love all that he has been, and that's the reason he's my favourite musician, and I do have some hopes...
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Post by ziggy2000 on Sept 29, 2005 19:04:31 GMT -5
Can't really disagree with weesam's comments....a very well constructed message which puts a point of view.
My only comment would be who are we to criticise what Bowie does....what direction he takes, we either love him or hate him for that.
Having first seen Bowie on stage in 1972, I did not find Reality a let down. Some of the musical compositions there, some of the riffs and chord changes were as imaginative as though he was still in his early teens/20's.
It's horses for courses....so let's all look forward to the new album.
Don't you just loooove (She Can) Do that!!!
Zigs
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Post by weesam on Sept 30, 2005 10:45:38 GMT -5
Don't you just loooove (She Can) Do that!!
No, I think it's another one of Bowie's dodgy pop songs along the lines of Real Cool World. (I think) I'm like most Bowie fans in the sense that songs like Quicksand, We Are The Dead, Joe The Lion, It's No Game etc.. are the songs that I really love, and these are the songs that seperate Bowie from the rest. I just find his 80's/90's stuff incredibly tedious. I play it for a few weeks and then it goes into the record collection. Can't remember that last time I played Reality, and to be honest, I don't have the inclination to play it at all. But I'll always go back to Hunky Dory, or Scary Monsters for the rest of my life; and no matter how big my record collection gets (over 1000 cds/lps and counting) I'll always have time for those classic albums.
I think I argued this point before in SJ, but the main problem(s) are: That Bowie's albums have become too long and bloated, and b) I don't think there is anybody around him that has the balls to tell him that what he is doing is crap. I thought his singing on Outside was fabulous, but on Earthling? Somebody needed to tell him that it was just not good enough. Ditto Reality. He sounded so ORDINARY on that record. And this is Bowie we are talking about. He should never sound ordinary. He's got the best voice in Rock, It's a lack of effort.
Getting back to the "too long album" rant. Before the advent of CDs, Bowie was forced to cut and edit his songs to fit into the grooves of the vinyl. I could imagine that Low would have been a hulking mess, much like (what I think) Outside is, but he was forced to cut it down to size. And I think that is a good thing. I reckon if Outside was recorded in the 70s it would have been a better record. Maybe it would have looked something like this:
SIDE A The Hearts Filthy Lesson Hallo Spaceboy The Motel I Have Not Been To Oxford Town SIDE B We Prick You I'm Deranged Thru' These Architects Eyes Strangers When We Meet
Short and sweet. Play it, and then flip it over and play it again. After playing Outside now, I feel like I need a bloody holiday! Nevermind playing it again.
Getting an artist, who obviously has a big emotional connection to his music, to self-censor is going to be difficult. Bowie obviously liked all the segues, but I think Berlin Bowie would have too, but wouldn't heve been allowed to keep them, which would in turn force his hand to edit the album to the absolute cream. Let's face it, we all love it when those silly little out-takes and demos from the 70s appear, but would we want them defacing those beautiful albums. Would Ziggy be better if it was longer. Station To Station has just 6 tracks and it is PERFECT. Not many perfect rock albums about, but that is one of them.
PS even his album covers are nutse now.
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Post by homebrew on Sept 30, 2005 12:12:51 GMT -5
Having first seen Bowie on stage in 1972, I did not find Reality a let down. Some of the musical compositions there, some of the riffs and chord changes were as imaginative as though he was still in his early teens/20's. Zigs Same here. A fan since the Ziggy days and while I wasn't real thrilled with the Reality album when I first heard it, I thought the Reality live shows were quite fun. HB HB
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